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The time is now for Lions, Pies

26/11/2009 10:58 PM

One thing is patently clear now that the national draft is over and that is Collingwood and the Brisbane Lions believe they are now genuine premiership contenders next season.

Whether that indeed turns out to be the case remains to be seen but after the Pies got their wish and secured former St Kilda captain Luke Ball in Thursday night's draft and the Lions continued their extraordinary off-season recruiting spree by giving another Saint in Matt Maguire a second chance - it is obvious both clubs are focused on the here and now rather than long-term planning for the future.

The Lions and Pies have clearly sacrificed youth in this year's draft in favour of adding experience to teams they clearly believe are now not far off dethroning Geelong and St Kilda as the AFL's best teams.

Of course the Lions are coming off a first finals campaign in five years in reaching the semi-finals this year while the Magpies are just coming off their fourth finals campaign in a row and their second preliminary final appearance in three years.

The Pies secured 25-year-old Ball with their second round pick on Thursday night at pick 30 after having already given away their first and third round picks during trade week to secure 28-year-old Sydney ruckman Darren Jolly.

And the Lions not only picked up controversial Carlton spearhead and dual Coleman Medalist Brendan Fevola during trade week but a host of other recycled players from rival clubs in Richmond's Andrew Raines, West Coast's Brent Staker, St Kilda's Xavier Clarke and Sydney's Amon Buchanan.

As a result the Magpies and Lions will now field two of the most experienced teams in the AFL next season and will be more than confident they can match the Cats and the
Saints for experience and mental and physical toughness next season, if not skill.

For the Lions in particular, it’s a bold gamble coming in just Voss' second season in charge but makes sense at a time when the few remaining members of their all-conquering team from 2001-04 in champion midfielders Simon Black and Luke Power and to a lesser extent inspirational skipper Jonathan Brown are nearing the end of their careers.

But as Voss explained to Sportal immediately after Thursday night's draft - experience does not necessarily guarantee a club premiership success although it's hard to win one without it.

"I would like to think we could have a real crack at it (the flag next year) but unfortunately one thing doesn't mean another in this industry," he said when asked if the Lions stockpiling of experienced players for next year was a sign of their premiership intentions.

"The moment you think that, that is the moment you end up getting bitten on the butt."

Voss said the challenge for his new-look team would be to now gel quickly next year.

"Historically it's said that to be a premiership team you have got to be together for a while and now we have added a few new players to our group it’s about them being able to gel quickly."

"So that is the challenge we are going to have over four to six months and we need total commitment if we are going to have that chance but I think we can put a program around them and hopefully we can go full throttle from there."

If the Lions bold recruiting strategy works next year then Voss - having already captained three Brisbane premiership teams - will have the same reputation as a coach that he enjoyed as a player but if it goes wrong and the Lions go backwards at least it will be his own mess to clean up.

But that is not the case at Collingwood where the Pies' bid to top up their list next season and ignore youth in what is the last draft before the addition of the new Gold Coast and West Sydney clubs will harm the coaching prospects of coach-in-waiting Nathan Buckley if it backfires.

After the announcement of this year's much-hyped coaching transition with veteran coach Mick Malthouse to hand the reins reluctantly to his protégé Buckley at the end of the 2011 season, it's obvious Malthouse's recruiting strategy has been all about the present with little regard for the future list that Buckley will inherit.

In powerful big man Jolly and hard-working midfielder Ball, Malthouse is hoping those two players will finally deliver the premiership he has been craving for since joining Collingwood in 2000.

Again if it works Malthouse's career - which already includes two flags at West Coast - will be complete but if it backfires and the Magpies fall away in his last two years in charge then as a result it will take Buckley that much longer to re-build the Pies' playing list in future seasons having passed up the chance to get more youth into the club this year by using their first three draft picks on Ball and Jolly.

 
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Posted by Adam at
27/11/2009 09:15 AM
What a ridiculous article. Are you saying that if Collingwood don't win a flag in the next few years, it may need a complete rebuild? They are still one of the youngest teams in the league with amazing depth. (Don't believe this?? Watch how the VFL team goes next year). What a lot of people forget is that they have been in constant rebuild since 2005 and have played in 4 finals series since then. eg: 8 of the 22 players who played in the '07 preliminary final were no longer on the list when we made the '09 preliminary final. If Jolly and Ball don't work out there are players already on their list such as Wood, Beams, Sidebottom and Blair who look to have all the skills and determination it takes to make the top grade. This just seems like another beat up on Collingwood article with a bit of Brisbane thrown in. Congrats!
Posted by kingkingston at
27/11/2009 10:42 AM
You don't have to get kids in every draft and there is always next years draft to get some quality younger players on the list while the Lions vie for finals action.
Posted by Pielova at
27/11/2009 02:55 PM
Lukie Ball and Jolly will be huge success, don't worry about that. Ball could have won the GF for SKFC with more time on the ground - Lyon showed his lack of nouse, even more with the 'trade'. All we needed last year was 2 more hard bodies inside, and that was with Scott/Dale being a year younger...2010, the year of the Piemongers!!!
Posted by ozfisho at
27/11/2009 08:13 PM
Dont forget to factor in the collywobbles that will be setting in sometime close to finals, as always!! Oz
Posted by Stephanie at
28/11/2009 10:06 PM
One difference between the two teams is that Collingwood is younger than Brisbane, and they do not rely on any player over the age of 28 which is certainly not the case with Brisbane. Collingwood has recruited for now as well as the future, and after years of recruiting youth every season, experienced players such as Luke Ball and Darren Jolly was needed with the careers of Simon Prestigiacomo, Shane O'Bree and Tarkyn Lockter coming to an end. Brisbane on the other hand rely heavily on players that are 28 and over such as Jonathan Brown, Simon Black, Luke Power, and now Brendan Fevola, and they would not be the same team without them.
Posted by Nicole at
29/11/2009 07:57 AM
It seems to me that Paul Gough is having another go at Collingwood without researching enough beforehand. In 2008 Collingwood became the youngest team to win a final in eight seasons, and on Preliminary Final weekend of this year, Collingwood were on average two years or more younger than the other three teams which is quite significant. Collingwood's oldest player from last season was Anthony Rocca, and he has now retired so some experience was needed to brought in to the club for a change after sticking with a youth policy for the past five seasons or so. Collingwood has 26 players on their list that are 22 years of age or younger and I believe their best will be when Nathan Buckley takes over, even though a premiership is still a possibility under Mick Malthouse.
Posted by Nicole at
29/11/2009 08:00 AM
(Continued from above)...As mentioned previously, Collingwood do not rely on any players that are 28 years of age or older, and the average age of last years list which included Rocca, was younger than North Melbourne and only 0.24 years older than Melbourne, and only 0.29 years older than Hawthorn which is insignificant, and I think the Hawks list may be older now. Also, Collingwood's youth is quite impressive as shown when their VFL team also reached the Premiminary Final, and the introduction of a standalone VFL team has improved their depth tremendously. In the past three seasons, Collingwood has used 15 first year players that are still on the list now, while still being able to make the finals in each of those seasons. Finally, Luke Ball is only 25 years of age, so he is not old, and Paul Gough had the choice to praise Collingwood for being able to select him when many felt that was impossible, or he could have found the negative in it, even if it is unfounded and unfair, and he
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